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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 377 for the tenth of

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January 2016 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia coming up

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coming up on the skeptic zone this week

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more proof if more proof was needed

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which is not more proof the skeptics own

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reporters are second to none Joe

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alabaster kicks off the show with

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evidence please talking about a horrible

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substance really nasty awful substance

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black salv if you haven't heard about

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black selves you're probably very lucky

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this is a gooey paste that you can I

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wouldn't recommend it put on yourself

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and the claims are it will cure your

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cancer skin cancers and stuff like that

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well it doesn't it eats away your skin

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and the last mind-body wallet festival I

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was in in Sydney in fact Joe alabaster

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was with me at the time we came across a

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stall selling books on how to make black

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selves and selling videos called one

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answer to cancer all about black self

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horrible stuff avoid it like the plague

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Joe alabaster will tell you more at the

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top of the show following that it's our

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guest reporter all the way from camera

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in the acct the Australian Capital

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Territory Kevin Davies interviews dr.

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Rochelle duvall from the US

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Environmental Protection Agency a little

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bit of an interesting topic there a

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little bit unusual for the skeptic zone

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but a nice little report nevertheless

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and it just goes to show that if you are

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lucky enough to live in Canberra you can

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certainly attend many interesting talks

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head to ww Canberra skeptic saw a you or

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just google Canberra skeptics they've

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got talks are all year and social events

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and skeptics in the pub and all sorts of

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things really active group in Canberra

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after that it's a wig in science from

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the Royal Institution office too

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www are I a US or gay you in the

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beautiful city of Adelaide hello dr.

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Paul Willis the director of the Royal

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Institution of Australia fine scientific

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outreach group as skeptics own listeners

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well no than to round off the show

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Maynard spooky action may not heads once

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more to skeptics in the pub in Sydney

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and asked pub goers what do they think

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of New Year's resolutions and what are

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their predictions for 2016 thank you to

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those people who continue to support the

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skeptic zone it's a listener supported

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podcast as we might say and thank you to

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those people who have been buying mr.

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Katz origami jewelry which also goes

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directly to supporting the skeptic zone

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links are on the skeptics own website

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skeptics and TV and some new items just

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up for sale at the moment I've put a

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pendant a resin pendant which is a tiny

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little origami book the eye on the

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Origin of Species by Charles Darwin and

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also some books by Jane Austen I'm going

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to increase that soon I might put some

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Sherlock Holmes up or something like

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that check it out it's all good fun end

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it all aids the skeptic zone but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs have

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a nice cool glass of ginger ale with ice

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because it's quite a hot day here in

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Sydney today a nice cool glass of ginger

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ale and ice while I'm sipping that with

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Fred the cat at my feet I hope you enjoy

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what we want is some more evidence

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hello this is Joe alabaster

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when you spot something that's old

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concerned it can be worth spending a

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couple of minutes filling in a report or

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noting it publicly by a social media

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little actions such as there's a greater

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than no action they do add up and can be

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the starting point for greater change

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this week I went and had a minor

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procedure to remove a lesion after

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having a skin cancer check performed

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a potentially problematic one but that

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said to pathology and examined this

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cancer and alternative medicine namely

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with black selves also known as blood

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route or can seamer it is a horrible

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preparation which proponents claim can

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draw out cancer cells when applied to

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typically contain zinc chloride and

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chappell also known as creosote bush and

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bloodroot the extract of which is called

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sanguinarine an ammonium salt which

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attacks and destroys living tissue black

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substances which cause tissue to die and

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slop off black self proponents believe

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that when this ashy erotic destroys

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tissue it is somehow targeting cancer

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cells and the when scabs form and fall

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body this is sadly very wrong there is

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black selves can result in ulceration

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and muscle damage if you're feeling not

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of the damage black self can cause

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either the Google Image Search tab or

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the black soul Facebook page be warned

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though you'll see people with huge

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ulcers large scabs and people who have

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rests it's fairly disturbing frankly

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both that people believe they're doing

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diagnosis and treatment and here's

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mouth from other black selves users

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medicine proponents some decide to use

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people online there is a reason we have

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doctors who especially trained in skin

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unqualified to do so of course do keep a

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close eye on your own skin but make an

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appointment with a GP or skin cancer

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clinic if you notice anything unusual or

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concerning and speak with them about how

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regularly it would be appropriate for

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you to have your skin checked by

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the time they're 70 so this is really

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cancer.org a you back to black selves

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self or internet diagnosis and the use

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progression assess black selves can

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leave behind cancerous cells the use of

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cancer treated why do people choose to

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use black selves well mistrust of

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safer because it is natural as with many

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other dangerous beliefs getting accurate

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information out into the public sphere

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polarize those who are heavily invested

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believe that black soul is a cure for

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cancer being suppressed by big farmer

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the government lizard people and what

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have you publicizing the dangers of

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black selves is one way to reduce its

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use another is via regulation this is a

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register of therapeutic goods there is

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the TGA has however issued an alert

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recommending people do not use black

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selves and associated ineffective cancer

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cures which is useful as we can then

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products recommending their use such as

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to the TGA in 2013 the TGA responded to

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promotion of black self and the sale of

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the one answer to cancer DVD citing

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goods act 1989 the TGA ordered the

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several listings on ebay for black

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one on their item pages and then decided

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ebay you several au listings for black

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of confidence that anything would come

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of it but thought it worth a try

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nonetheless the next morning I work to a

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reply from ebays Australian account

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which Joe alabaster pager thanks so much

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for bringing this to our attention we're

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removing all this things now shut if

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there's anything else end quote wow and

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same sellers with words slightly changed

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in order to try and evade detection and

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deletion ascent links to them back to

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ebay via Twitter and they promptly

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how much I appreciated their help the

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replied quote no worries at all I made

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the mistake of googling that stuff end

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images of black sell views speak for

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themselves and I feel very fortunate

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that I happened to come across somebody

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in a position of power to virtually get

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it off the shelves who is eager to

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assist when making a complaint such

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people are out there we don't always

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find them or they can't always act when

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trying to alert businesses organizations

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or dare I say government-run health

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websites too dangerous misinformation or

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products they're involved in the

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promotion of lobbying against quackery

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is often a more time-consuming and

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complicated process than a couple of

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ebay forms and some tweets it really is

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worth taking that first step though

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whether it results in a small and

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immediate success or is the beginning of

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a greater campaign and if you don't feel

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that larger scale complaints lobbying

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and publicizing are your thing get in

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touch with other skeptics let them know

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what's going on and see whether they're

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inspired to take action there are days

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when I feel rather overwhelmed by the

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amount of dangerous quackery out there

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and helpless to do much about it I'm

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acquainted with some people who

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accomplish amazing things medical

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researchers doctors and nurses

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journalists stop the avian and the good

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thinking society and individuals who

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utilize their expertise and passion to

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expose and formally complain about

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charlatans quacks

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and dangerously mislead proponents of

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whoa I've had the privilege of meeting

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great activists and educators dedicated

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communicators those who engage with the

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media the public and with bodies

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creating policy and their efforts

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completely blow me away over the past

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few years that I've been involved with

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skepticism I've become convinced that we

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can all be doing something useful

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whether it's a simple ascending a

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engaging politely on social media with

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those in a position to help stop

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quackery being spread sharing

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evidence-based information when somebody

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makes an inaccurate claim letting people

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know that David avocado Wolfe makes some

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very dangerous claims of our medicine

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and suggesting they stop sharing his

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memes on Facebook or publicly or

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financially supporting campaigns run by

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other skeptics many great skeptical

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triumphs which have helped diminish the

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proliferation of woo began with a single

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person noticing something was wrong

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perhaps discussing it with other

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skeptics and acting upon it that said

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don't discount the tiny triumphs they

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definitely add up if there's a chance

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that an action you could take may bring

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about any measure of good please

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consider going ahead with making that

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complain or politely engaging with

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somebody it may well be worth it you can

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find evidence place at evidence please

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net or on facebook and i'm joe alabaster

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now on Belfast FM we turn to the person

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lads easing going and confident skeptic

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seeks other critical thinkers for fun

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laughter and good times must be willing

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to apply logic liberally and a good

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listener expect something new and

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interesting every month come and meet me

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in Belfast in Northern Ireland if this

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sounds like you check out my profile on

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bail for skeptics calm music by Kevin

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MacLeod well I'm here again at kelly's

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irish pub where we have just been traded

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to another wonderful science in the pub

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my name is dr. Rochelle Duvall and I'm

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with the US Environmental Protection

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Agency and how long have you been with

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the EPA I have been with the EPA for ten

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years and could you describe a bit of

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the functions of the APA sure so the EPA

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is a federal government agency in the US

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and our mission is to protect human

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health in the environment so we actually

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do a number of different functions a lot

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of people know us for putting out

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regulations and forcing and developing

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regulations and also research is a big

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area we've actually fund a lot of state

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and local organizations as well we do a

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lot of a lot of things and what do you

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do in the APA I'm with the EPA's office

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of research and development and I am a

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scientist there and right now I work on

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air pollution measurement methods and

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these are used in air quality monitoring

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networks to make sure that the air is

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healthy for us to breathe and just

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protecting the environment and what

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would you say the state of air quality

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in the United States has been since you

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started with the APA their quality in

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the United States has always been very

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good since the Clean Air Act has been

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put in place which is our act that is

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used to regulate air quality so a lot of

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the states have been doing very well

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across the u.s. some some places have

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problems because of their geography

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size of the amount of pollution but for

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the most part we have really good air

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quality in the United States and what

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sort of research do you do so I look at

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measurement methods on the equipment

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that's actually used to measure air

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pollutants so I evaluate these I test

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them I analyze them and make sure that

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we have the state of the science

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instruments available to measure

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pollutants he had some of the

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instruments today that was really

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impressive just how our smaller scholar

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so air pollution has been changing

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especially monitoring the equipment that

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we use and there have been these smaller

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low-cost air pollution sensors that

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measure a lot of different pollutants

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like particulate matter gaseous

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pollutants so these are really becoming

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very popular because they're cheap you

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can carry them around they're very easy

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to operate and a lot of communities are

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very interested in learning about their

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quality you're talking a bit about

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citizen science projects would you care

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to talk about those further because it

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sounded really interesting so I've been

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doing a lot of work with citizen and

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community groups so what we have

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citizens just common people who are not

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scientist they actually run equipment

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for us and there are these air pollution

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sensors that I showed earlier and they

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collect data for us and they help us to

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build our research and make it better so

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what are the big challenges facing air

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quality and dealing with air pollution

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for the future I think I'm just getting

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people to understand that they can take

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apart and helping to reduce air quality

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and different actions people can take

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whether it's you know maybe you know

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just walking to work or walking in

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general and stop using cars and

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different types of transportation that

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creates pollution I'm just changing

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their behaviors and attitudes about

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pollution just so that they become more

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aware the final question what is it

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about science that appeals to you so

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much what made you want to become a

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scientist I always loved math and

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chemistry and I like the fact that I can

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really test out new things and I can be

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part of

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and technology and really make a

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difference that's one thing that that's

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really important to me okay well thank

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you very much that was wonderful to talk

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to you thank you did you see that UFO

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sighting that made the news what did

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that latest study about alternative

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treatments really say is this photo

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making the rounds real or hoax duffle

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news is a unique website featuring news

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about pseudoscience the paranormal

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anomalies and questionable claims framed

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with the skeptical view come visit

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doubtful newscom every day for news

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about cryptozoology conspiracies shams

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scams and more follow us on twitter at

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doubtful news critical thinking is

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essential in assessing today's news

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doubtful news helps you decide can you

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really believe this stuff have you ever

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wondered if there's life out there well

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believe it or not there's actually an

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equation to work out the probability of

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extraterrestrial life and it's called

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so there's this astronomer named Frank

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Drake due back in 1959 started searching

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the universe for signals which may

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indicate the presence of intelligent

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life then in nineteen sixty one who was

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helping organize a conference and

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started thinking about all the factors

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which would need to be considered when

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trying to predict whether intelligent

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life was out there what he came up with

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is this equation which multiplies

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together the race of star formation the

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fraction of those stars which have

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planets how many of those planets that

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could support life the fraction of

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planets which could support life that

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actually develop life at some point the

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fraction of civilizations that develop a

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technology that releases detectable

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signs of their existence into space and

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the length of time for which such

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civilizations release detectable signals

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into space now obviously some of those

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factors are measurable or can be

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calculated but some we just don't know I

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mean how do you know how many planets

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with life go on to develop a

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civilization or how many of those

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develop technology which releases

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detectable signals because of these

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limitations the Drake Equation isn't

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really used to predict the abundance of

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life out there but it is an interesting

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equation to just contemplate when

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thinking about life in the universe and

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what is required for us to find it and

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now for fast facts about the search for

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life on other planets the Voyager space

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probes carry records which contain

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information about Earth and humans in

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case it meets other life forms part of

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the Curiosity rover mission is to search

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for water on Mars which could support

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the presence of life the zone

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surrounding a star which gives planetary

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conditions which are just right for life

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is called the Goldilocks zone and one

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problem of searching for life in the

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universe is that life may exist in the

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form we don't recognize as being alive

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or in places we don't realize can even

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support life want to find out more about

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the search for life on other planets

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check out our website where we have some

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links and we'll catch you right back

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are you enjoying the skeptic zone

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podcast and wondering where you can find

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more skeptical information skeptics on

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the net is an online directory for

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everything skeptical it features

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listings for skeptical podcasts blogs

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people local groups and more it also

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includes the sotn blog where people in

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the know right introductions to their

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favorite skeptical and pseudo scientific

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here's my not spooky action at a

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well we here at skeptics in the pub in

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January where it's all sort of quiet a

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bit subtle and runs we push all into the

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corner here because tonight it will be

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happening and it will be revealed as I

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asked the two big questions of it but I

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asked new year's resolutions a lot of

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rubbish and what are your predictions

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for 2016 now I've got a man here what's

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your name sir drew and what brought you

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here drew how'd you find the place how

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do you want to go okay I want to hang

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out with the skeptics vision from God

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actually wow that's a new one that is a

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new one and had the division of PDF it

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just can't be behind my eyes you know in

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my heart my hair was just everywhere all

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at once which immediately deeply ironic

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i'm the first I'm the first to say that

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okay and what do you want expect out of

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being hanging with the skeptics tonight

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skepticism okay okay well there might be

553
00:24:23,139 --> 00:24:21,440
a little that going on I'm skeptic of

554
00:24:24,729 --> 00:24:23,149
your vision for a start but that's just

555
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:24,739
a fair enough then now what do you

556
00:24:28,239 --> 00:24:26,809
reckon about new years resolutions lot

557
00:24:30,879 --> 00:24:28,249
of rubbish did you make any have you

558
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:30,889
broken that already I made a news

559
00:24:35,589 --> 00:24:33,049
resolution back in twenty twelve not to

560
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:35,599
make year's resolution so I'm read into

561
00:24:38,649 --> 00:24:37,190
that what you will no I think that's a

562
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:38,659
fairly skeptical approach and what about

563
00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:39,950
any predictions for the year what are

564
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:43,070
you reckon eleven and a half months from

565
00:24:46,209 --> 00:24:44,690
now people gonna come up to me and come

566
00:24:48,369 --> 00:24:46,219
up to you and come up to George over

567
00:24:53,589 --> 00:24:48,379
there and say oh my god can you believe

568
00:24:56,019 --> 00:24:53,599
it's almost 2017 that's cool and people

569
00:24:59,019 --> 00:24:56,029
will still want to have heard on New

570
00:25:01,060 --> 00:24:59,029
Year's Eve party like it's 1999 God yeah

571
00:25:02,469 --> 00:25:01,070
it's the best song yeah of course at

572
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,479
that as well and of course outlook my

573
00:25:08,529 --> 00:25:04,159
prediction for this year's it this year

574
00:25:10,930 --> 00:25:08,539
is to give up last year last year it was

575
00:25:13,719 --> 00:25:10,940
to get a job the year before that was to

576
00:25:15,579 --> 00:25:13,729
get a better job now I just given up I

577
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:15,589
just give up completely and it's pretty

578
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:18,049
easy I think I can keep that one now

579
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:20,210
Richard also if you had any predictions

580
00:25:25,530 --> 00:25:22,990
for the year I predict that

581
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:25,540
it's incapable prediction he's a good

582
00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:27,490
man he's pretty mouthy for guys along

583
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:29,020
here for the first time and I guess my

584
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:30,910
first prediction is I'll be interrupted

585
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:33,309
doing an interview oh it worked my

586
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:36,070
second prediction is that come november

587
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:40,090
december this year TV shows and

588
00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:41,830
newspapers will have predictions for

589
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,460
2017 from psychics and breaking news

590
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:47,440
here apparently something I've known

591
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:49,330
from North Korea has announced that

592
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:52,450
they've got a and hydrogen bomb I'm

593
00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:55,240
sorry that that's a typo up the hydrogen

594
00:25:59,030 --> 00:25:56,980
bond is at my place it's something

595
00:26:01,560 --> 00:25:59,040
completely different but back to Richard

596
00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:01,570
you know i think the word skeptical was

597
00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:04,420
invented for North Korea they they claim

598
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:06,820
no end of amazing things I think they're

599
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:08,620
going to claim that they've gone to Mars

600
00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:11,320
next for those thing on the channel 10

601
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:13,059
site that they've been a typo they

602
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:14,910
described it as the North Korean

603
00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:18,130
hydroponic bomb thank you to dr. ray

604
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:20,380
chief or catching no one yes okay Big O

605
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:22,450
predictions for the year my predictions

606
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:25,980
for 2016 I think they're

607
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:30,250
so I think the Donald Trump will drop

608
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:34,450
out of the presidential race I think

609
00:26:40,620 --> 00:26:36,610
that Jeb Bush would drop out of the

610
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:40,630
presidential race and I think the next

611
00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:49,130
probably Hillary maybe Bernie who knows

612
00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:51,670
okay well that's a wonderfully they give

613
00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:53,830
me their Richard now of course any new

614
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,540
year's resolutions are they actually any

615
00:26:59,910 --> 00:26:58,240
use at all like are you being a poo poo

616
00:27:01,020 --> 00:26:59,920
a cynical skeptic from way back wouldn't

617
00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:01,030
have much to say about any of them would

618
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:02,800
you I've made many new year's

619
00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:04,360
resolutions over the years and I

620
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:07,630
forgotten each of them I think my new

621
00:27:12,140 --> 00:27:09,910
year's resolution this year is not to

622
00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:12,150
make any but that everybody says that

623
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:14,950
monocles a very big historical event has

624
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:17,350
occurred this week Richard Saunders it

625
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,300
has indeed we must say congratulations

626
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:22,480
to skip tied for 500 episodes now the

627
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:24,190
skeptic zone is still in three hundreds

628
00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:25,810
of defeat it's quite an effort to get

629
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:27,550
one out every week so to get one out

630
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:30,940
every week for how many years it is 500

631
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:33,220
what an effort congratulations kept I

632
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:36,790
have a congratulations Bryan on on 487

633
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:38,440
episodes they were really good the other

634
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:41,350
ones not so hot but 487 really good

635
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:42,910
episodes of skipped I'd which is better

636
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:44,770
than planet Maynard we've only had three

637
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:46,810
adwalla ones we've done well done and

638
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:48,940
most of those episodes to done from the

639
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:51,880
hot tub of truth so a lot of bubbling

640
00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:55,150
hot salty chlorinated water went into

641
00:27:58,860 --> 00:27:56,620
making those five hundred episodes of

642
00:28:00,750 --> 00:27:58,870
people and I hope you appreciate it so

643
00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:00,760
what do you think of you use resolutions

644
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:02,590
do you make them are they achieve all is

645
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:04,420
there any point what are we doing here I

646
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:07,600
think they're good because it encourages

647
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,610
people to think about improving

648
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:11,520
themselves and

649
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,310
and making changes and there might not

650
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:17,040
be in a place where they're going to do

651
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:18,570
that at other times the third of the

652
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:20,370
year and this is an opportunity for them

653
00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:22,110
to think about it the problem is but

654
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:24,780
they don't have perhaps the skills or

655
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:28,050
the tools to follow through and maintain

656
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:30,120
or sustain those changes but at least

657
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:31,710
they're thinking about it and even even

658
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:34,460
having an intention and thinking about

659
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,220
doing something better or different can

660
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:39,900
be enough to make significant changes so

661
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,610
I think that I think it's good I think

662
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:42,960
it's good they don't always follow

663
00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:44,370
through that doesn't always work but

664
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:46,800
it's just the best time of year for that

665
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,210
when everyone's drinking in the middle

666
00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:50,340
of summer after eating their guts out at

667
00:28:55,550 --> 00:28:53,550
Christmas absolutely and maybe if we did

668
00:28:57,050 --> 00:28:55,560
them in June maybe juna be a good time

669
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:57,060
in the middle of winter you go yeah I'll

670
00:29:02,390 --> 00:28:58,740
cut i'll cut back on the booze then

671
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:02,400
maybe it's always a good time just like

672
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,440
just did my mom up your temptations over

673
00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:06,240
summer I mean we've got Iran here my

674
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,390
goodness me I put the glass down around

675
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:10,260
what do you what do you think about the

676
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,610
whole thing do you think it's just a

677
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:13,620
pointless doing this now here's someone

678
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:15,090
who actually had now you had a new

679
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:17,730
year's resolution didn't you and a

680
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:21,290
prediction of my prediction yep is that

681
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:25,020
somebody will be named John today this

682
00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:28,590
this year when they are born and they

683
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:34,820
will weigh what here 3.11 kilograms

684
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,340
that's incredibly specific is

685
00:29:45,389 --> 00:29:41,919
but due to my odds I'm pretty darn sure

686
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:45,399
it'll happen okay obviously a betting

687
00:29:49,409 --> 00:29:47,500
kind of guy these pc's on the ball rats

688
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:49,419
under boys good with the distance okay

689
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:51,250
now what about with trying to do

690
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:53,080
predictions this you got any predictions

691
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:54,700
for this year or have you even tried to

692
00:29:59,159 --> 00:29:56,409
do a new year's resolution okay year's

693
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,169
resolution yeah is the president of the

694
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:01,360
skeptics I've gotta say you know yeah so

695
00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:05,529
new solutions I've never bothered but I

696
00:30:09,749 --> 00:30:08,380
must say I actually like the idea of a

697
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:09,759
specific date when you're going to make

698
00:30:13,649 --> 00:30:11,590
a big change because then you can it's

699
00:30:15,149 --> 00:30:13,659
easy to say it's been three months

700
00:30:16,499 --> 00:30:15,159
already it's been four months you don't

701
00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:16,509
have to start calculating you know if it

702
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,190
says so the first of first of January is

703
00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:20,080
not a bad day to start something I think

704
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,600
the problem is that all the research i

705
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,159
mean this is just an article published

706
00:30:27,749 --> 00:30:26,500
just a few days ago but about research

707
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,759
that was done in the past that shows

708
00:30:31,259 --> 00:30:29,919
that year's resolutions by and large

709
00:30:32,879 --> 00:30:31,269
fail just look like all other

710
00:30:36,779 --> 00:30:32,889
resolutions there's no better or worse

711
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,789
than a business so what he did yeah but

712
00:30:39,299 --> 00:30:38,320
it's good to have any resolution i think

713
00:30:40,769 --> 00:30:39,309
if you're going to have if there's

714
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:40,779
things that are important to you I'll

715
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:42,610
tell you in what way it's good news

716
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:44,049
resolutions don't tend to be small

717
00:30:48,509 --> 00:30:46,450
things so I think it's an opportunity

718
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:48,519
for people to say this thing that I've

719
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:50,129
really wanted to do for a very long time

720
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:52,600
stopping drinking or reducing drinking

721
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,730
or side here to the gym whatever it's a

722
00:30:57,659 --> 00:30:56,080
time when people make decisions and I

723
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:57,669
think a lot of other times people say oh

724
00:31:00,180 --> 00:30:58,990
I'm in the middle of this I middle of

725
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:00,190
that it's a time for people to make

726
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:01,809
decisions but the reality is that they

727
00:31:06,869 --> 00:31:03,820
fail just as much as any any other

728
00:31:10,649 --> 00:31:06,879
decisions made any other time okay okay

729
00:31:12,899 --> 00:31:10,659
and any predictions about okay so okay

730
00:31:17,869 --> 00:31:12,909
so that's not with a big ones so there's

731
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:20,279
earthquakes particularly i predict

732
00:31:25,259 --> 00:31:23,740
earthquakes let me think in japan and in

733
00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:25,269
the western United States potentially

734
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:34,030
I i predict that there will be

735
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,240
potentially trouble between the israel

736
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:42,480
israel and palestine that's a bold move

737
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:47,100
it's about decision see I know and and I

738
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:49,170
think the Americans will get involved in

739
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:51,420
in places in the world where they do not

740
00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:54,960
belong so the this I know I know I know

741
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:57,420
I know I've east maitland I'm sorry I'm

742
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:58,860
taking east maitland New South Wales

743
00:32:03,650 --> 00:32:02,340
there'll be so over that so yeah so I

744
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:03,660
think I've taken enough of risk I'm not

745
00:32:08,420 --> 00:32:06,750
willing to say anything more and we've

746
00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:08,430
met one person who's along for the first

747
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:09,900
time tonight we have a couple it along

748
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:13,410
heat and i feel we got mafia and stan

749
00:32:21,050 --> 00:32:16,500
and are you both scientists or anything

750
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:21,060
I have a master's in biology so sure Wow

751
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:23,610
and what you do I'm an IT guy but I have

752
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:25,170
a master's in computer science so I

753
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:27,300
guess I'm a half of scientists oh yeah

754
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:28,650
well you're both better than me i'm

755
00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:30,810
always guessing and stuff in that so you

756
00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:33,180
can plug an ethernet cord in in record

757
00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:36,990
time can't you i can leave now if any of

758
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:39,180
you made any resolutions for the year or

759
00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:40,140
do you think they're just a lot of

760
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:41,790
rubbish but put your skeptical eye on

761
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,110
new year's resolutions what do you think

762
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:45,720
about that I don't really care for new

763
00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:47,430
year resolutions if you are determined

764
00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:49,920
to do something I don't think you need a

765
00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:52,790
new year resolution you can just have a

766
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:56,430
determination to do it and and do

767
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:58,710
something on your own but if some people

768
00:33:03,770 --> 00:33:01,620
like to have some date and fall go

769
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:03,780
through not fine with me any predictions

770
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:05,850
piggley in the ITA field you might be

771
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:07,350
able to see further into the future than

772
00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:09,330
us mere mortals not in the i.t filled

773
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,560
with a few Donald Trump who become

774
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:14,100
president oh that's a bold one there now

775
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:16,950
that I wanted some my prediction I don't

776
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:19,470
know I think that's okay though

777
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:21,210
Oh what kind of knot by the end of the

778
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:23,070
year I think redic is gonna get the

779
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:25,080
Republican nomination little commotion

780
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:27,240
so we can at least have fun listening to

781
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,929
him debate Hillary for whoever gets the

782
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:31,919
Democratic that would be pretty

783
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:33,450
interesting what about you and

784
00:33:38,659 --> 00:33:35,130
resolutions how do you feel about them I

785
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:38,669
don't have near as resolutions and they

786
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:41,250
make life work for some people but if

787
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:42,659
they only make you feel depressed

788
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:44,100
afterwards because he didn't follow

789
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,230
throw them maybe they will just make you

790
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:48,960
feel worse again you don't hear anyone

791
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,860
talking about their new year's

792
00:33:53,390 --> 00:33:51,840
resolutions in February do that really

793
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:53,400
it's all over by the end of January

794
00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:55,950
really yeah yeah yeah and then you

795
00:34:00,500 --> 00:33:57,270
forget about it done mentioning because

796
00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:00,510
I don't do it anymore I'm just hide well

797
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,620
thank you for coming along i hope you'll

798
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,600
see you here again will do thank you yes

799
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:05,880
thank you very much guys remember those

800
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:08,700
predictions people okay now what do you

801
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:10,409
think on the issue of new year's

802
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:12,510
resolutions or on the visibly

803
00:34:18,859 --> 00:34:16,740
predictions 2016 I'll go for both okay I

804
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:18,869
think for the predictions but it's good

805
00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:22,169
because we reboot but the problem is it

806
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:24,149
happens you have financial new year

807
00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:25,950
resolutions i Kenned have resolutions on

808
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:27,750
the hour you need something so i thinks

809
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:30,570
helps her a lot of people but gives us

810
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,740
something i think the reason why it's

811
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:33,300
good in years we're on holidays is that

812
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:34,950
break he's trying to break habits and

813
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:35,940
all this stuff you know what's a

814
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,950
resolution to have on the hour I won't

815
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:39,780
leave work early that's nothing I know

816
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:42,690
won't leave work early well doing exams

817
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:45,690
or stuff like that that said I'm still

818
00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:47,490
looking at my problem was being the year

819
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:49,109
2000 and that occurred I had my

820
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,790
resolution which I still haven't done

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yet and that's getting into 16 years now

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I don't want to talk about it but I

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think that's the problem so you need to

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be far enough away from the change of

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centuries to be close enough so maybe

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the criteria be from say plus or minus

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20 years that that area around that the

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Turner century you don't make

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resolutions I don't know want to get to

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fair enough thing what about a

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prediction about you look like a guy

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who's just a touch psychic that's what

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the west of the word on the street is

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anywhere sidekick or sidekick I could

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have up mr. mixed up something like that

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that looked the people driving past in a

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car very quick I didn't hear what they

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yield thankfully

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now I think I think actually there's

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going to be a lot more issues between

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skeptics and then the the Wu merchants I

842
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:35,520
notice on twitter at the moment there's

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a lot of people firing backwards and

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00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:39,150
forwards shots is going on there that

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there's some naturopath who's just

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getting all steamed up and he's broccoli

847
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:43,920
this is just the start I think that

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everyone's made their new year's

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resolutions about that so maybe I think

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this year I think people going to get

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00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:50,340
aggressive is the year being aggressive

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where skeptics and the other crowd start

853
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coming out and we start killing each

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other and it's weird because it supposed

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to be based on an educated considered

856
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:02,790
position everyone's this name calling it

857
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:04,860
it's not a strangely fantastic to listen

858
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:06,300
and watch too did you want to get into

859
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:08,190
it with the naturopath or not or you

860
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:09,900
just stay out of that kind of you enjoy

861
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:11,430
good Twitter argument or you are you

862
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,650
elsewhere when that's happening I i must

863
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,780
admit i do secretly look around on

864
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:17,280
twitter and see these things and throw

865
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:20,220
the occasional little comment but it's

866
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:21,480
again you can't solve the world on

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twitter especially with 140 characters

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00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:24,600
or less I don't know why these

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00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,250
intelligent people are doing at this far

870
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:28,260
more things to do maybe supposed to root

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00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:29,910
photo or something just thrown off the

872
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:31,710
track yeah that might be good maybe

873
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,480
that's it well maybe we should decrease

874
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it to 14 characters you have the whole

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00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:37,560
arguments based on 14 characters I think

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that will distill these difficult

877
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argument so you can't why I mean it's

878
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,650
important hustle do 140 characters I

879
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,420
think you've predicted very busy you

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00:37:04,980 --> 00:36:47,520
ahead on Twitter sir yeah I think that's

881
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:07,570
today this is dr. Karl Karl Christmas he

882
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:09,170
proud to be skeptic and you can find out

883
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:11,450
more about me at dr. Karl calm and get

884
00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:33,240
thank you for listening to the skeptic

885
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:34,780
zone you know I've noticed in the last

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few weeks the last week anyway that Mark

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00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:41,020
Zuckerberg from facebook posted up a

888
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:43,960
nice pictures cute picture of him and

889
00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:45,370
his daughter waiting at the doctor's

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00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:48,340
office for her to get her vaccinations

891
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:53,410
well the anti-vaccination brigade have

892
00:38:00,990 --> 00:37:56,890
lost the plot again and some of the

893
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,000
responses that have been simply vile now

894
00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:02,800
I love to send them up as you well know

895
00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:06,040
i call them tho zany wacky outrageous

896
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:07,840
people from the anti-vaccination brigade

897
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:11,110
but don't make any mistake I take them

898
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,020
very seriously they are in some

899
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:16,740
situations simply dangerous people I

900
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,060
think we'll follow up this story we'll

901
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:21,040
see if we can have something about it on

902
00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:24,190
next week's show but in the meantime if

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00:38:28,110 --> 00:38:25,780
you google that if you google Mark

904
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:28,120
Zuckerberg and vaccination I think

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00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:31,030
you'll see some of the violent venom

906
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:34,420
lies that have been perpetrated good

907
00:38:39,090 --> 00:38:36,760
luck to Mark Zuckerberg I've got no

908
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:39,100
special feelings towards him one way or

909
00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:42,340
the other and he seems to be a decent

910
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:44,620
guy but he's certainly doing the right

911
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:46,450
thing by getting his daughter vaccinated

912
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:49,240
and I know he never misses the skeptic

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00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:51,490
zone hmm thank you again to our

914
00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:53,620
wonderful reporters Joe alabasta wow

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00:38:58,590 --> 00:38:55,240
that was a great report this week on

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00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:58,600
black selves thank you to Maynard who's

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00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:00,700
always there with these microphone ready

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00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,400
to ask the questions looking forward

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00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:05,920
later on to more reports from our other

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00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:08,140
reporters around dr. Regina of course

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00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,080
the wonderful Heidi Robinson but for

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this week this is Richard Saunders

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